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And we got some real issues to face in This country and nobody knows that Better than Admiral William mcraven We're privileged to have him back in our Studio if you're smart enough to have Gotten Fox Nation and Admiral I don't Want to put you on the spot but have you Ordered Fox Nation yet of course all Right good uh the name of this brand new Book that came uh that is now out the Wisdom of the bullfrog leadership made Simple but not easy Admiral uh it was Always great to see you that's why I was Excited when I heard you had a book out I'm like I hope he tours with this well It's good to be back with you Brian yeah And I saw your interview on CNN with Fried Zakaria was good so I understood Where it was coming from when they gave Me your book electronically uh because I Don't have it in the book business I Went right through it I mean it's one Story after another and it's military And how it relates to all of us on a Daily basis yeah and that was intent Obviously it's based on my military Experience but the fact of the matter is Leadership is fungible across everything Whether you're the CEO of a big company Or you run a burger joint or a coffee Place you need to know how to be a a Good leader and so I I draw these Lessons from my time in the military and My time as the chancellor at the

University of Texas I do want to get Into it but if I could just talk about The world right now because you're Wearing a suit uh but you also wear a Uniform and you also wear face paint and Go on emissions so what does at stake Today with speaker McCarthy meeting with The president of Taiwan yeah this is Obviously not unusual in terms of the President of Taiwan transiting through The United States this is always a Little bit of the carve out as we Continue to maintain the one China Policy now now the fact of the matter is The Chinese are never happy about this Never have been and so you're seeing a Lot of Bluster coming from China do you Think with that like ever before I've Never seen anything like this they've Actually predicted war against us yeah But but this is part of the rhetoric I Think Brian you know the Chinese don't Want to go to war with us we don't want To go to war with China we need to hold China accountable we need to hold them Accountable on the uyghurs we need to Hold them accountable on Hong Kong on Violating the WTO but frankly we also Need to find ways to find some common Ground with them but right now the best Thing to do is to deter them so this is Why we are building up bases in the Philippines we are working with the Japanese and the South Koreans to make

Sure the Chinese understand We're still the big dogs on the porch When it comes to Asia Pacific right Usually do you know General Spalding I Don't okay I just thought everybody Knows everybody I bring you to General Spalding I'll wait in this morning on uh He's a former China strategist for the Chair and chairman of the Joint Chiefs Of Staff cut 30. a lot of people are Focused on the southern border but the Balloon showed that we're we have Problems up in the northern border as Well essentially we've failed to invest In protecting the Homeland we spent a Lot of money on deploying military Overseas but when it comes to border Security when it comes to understanding Our airspace when it comes to Understanding the area around the United States we've done a very poor job in Investing in that and I think we need to Over the next you know five to ten years Invest more the balloon clearly show That we have problems in detecting these Things So he went on to say that we have not Invested heavily in Homeland we have not The northern border the southern border We see the Chinese coming by the Thousands all of a sudden are they Refugees or that part of the process China says well hit him on the southern Border is wide open uh we'll get our

Students in here into colleges uh we'll Fly balloons over the country but we'll Continue to try to spread the belt and Road program looking at us as the Problem the military should be the last Line of defense are we doing enough at Home Yeah so for you know from the homeland Security standpoint particularly as we Watch the Chinese the balloon the supply Balloon come into the U.S we do need to Go back and find out you know how did That happen and I think you know from a Technical standpoint I have an Understanding you know we are our Radars Are arrayed to be looking at Fighters And bombers and things that are moving Quickly intercontinental ballistic Missiles not a slow-moving Chinese Balloon so I think the military is going About uh you know tweaking that however When we look at things like uh you know The the Chinese the influx of Chinese Researchers the intellectual property That is being stolen this is a serious Issue right and and the good news is You've got bipartisan support on the Hill I mean there are a few things where You are getting the kind of bipartisan Support except as it pertains to China But once again and and I know you know a Lot a lot of viewers don't want to hear This or listeners don't want to hear This but but I would offer that we still

Need to find some common ground because Here's why if we continue to push China Away where will China go they will build This alliance with Russia and they will Strengthen it they did it right so our Our goal should be to separate China From Russia and the way you do that is Once again you hold them accountable but You also have to find some common ground Find common ground and trade find common Ground and climate find common ground Somewhere where we can engage with them So that if we do have a you know a dust Up in the South China Sea all of a Sudden it doesn't escalate into war and Then by building a little bit of this Contentious relationship we can start to Separate them from you know their their Buddies there in Russia see Admiral and I feel weird saying this to a guy like You actually fights in Wars but how you Go into that conversation has everything To do with how you want it to come out Of course and if we go in at a twin of Weakness they fly the balloon over here They taunt us with it they go through All the military bases we shoot it down They say we want it back and then we say Well calling off our visit and then two Weeks later we're asking for a visit and They say no that perception of weakness At home and reality is not a time it Seems you want to talk to no no China no No I agree my point is our long-term

Strategy has got to be deterrence in the Pacific so this is how do you show Strength well one if you take a look at The defense budget uh both for 2023 and The the proposed budget for 2024 it is All about China it's about you know Building more f-35s more submarines more Ships it is about making sure we are Incredibly strong in the Pacific at a Pace in which you're comfortable with Well it's never in a patient which You're comfortable with this is the Nature of you know dealing with Capitol Hill there are yeah you know there are Pork issues there are strategic issues There are you know ship building issues No I'd like to see more ships more Planes quicker have you heard a good Explanation of why we have not delivered The weapons and defense systems to Taiwan some of them waiting three years Have you heard an explanation to be Acceptable to Admiral mcraven yeah I Have not Um that's not to say there's not an Explanation but I haven't heard it the You know the issue is we have always had This policy with China with Taiwan of Strategic ambiguity now it's one of These political science terms that Basically says look we are going to say Publicly that we support China the one China policy but we are also going to Provide assistance to Taiwan now

President Biden has on four separate Occasions backed by his own staff for The first two times you're right he came Out and he said we're going to defend Taiwan and of course the staff said what The president meant to say and then he Said it a second time there and finally The third or fourth time they're like You've heard what the president said but He has caveat of this does that bother You uh you know having worked in the White house let me tell you having Worked under presidents both the Republican and Democrat it happens all The time presidents are presidents They're going to get out and say things That the staff would say gee Mr President I wish you really hadn't said That Um and and it happens often and yes the Staff has got to kind of walk it back a Little bit but at some point in time the President sits down and says no boys and Girls let me be very clear this is where We need to go now uh once again I think We are focused heavily on China from the Military standpoint all you have to do Is take a look at the budget and and Again bipartisan support in Congress so This is a good direction but it can't be The only Direction it can't be about a We are preparing for war against China You always have to prepare for the worst Case scenario but you also want to be in

A position to find again this Common Ground so that we don't have to go to War with China you know they say people In Washington you've been uh been there The state department is on a different Page in the administration and you need The state department to be on the same Page and respect their Secretary of State regardless of who it is because It's usually the policy which was Elected that's not happening I can't Tell you many people have told me Democratic Republican state Department's The problem yeah Yeah you know I'm not really in a Position to comment on the state Department would you'd like to yeah You're you're right I probably would Like to but uh but here's what I would Offer and I think Jim Mattis said it Best when he said look you know uh I'd Rather you put more money in the state Department and less money into bullets If in fact we can get the state Department to to do the diplomacy Because better to have good diplomacy Than find yourself in a position where You're having to go fight right uh so we Need to support the state department we Being the administration Congress the American people we but we also need to Demand of the state department you know High Caliber diplomacy Um and and this will put us in a

Position where we don't find ourselves You know going to war here is what General milley said about China's goals Cut 36. there might be some economic Levels of power there might be other Things in the intelligence world but for The most part they're probably going to Step out they have a national goal uh to Be a global uh to be the the global uh Co-equal with the United States and Superior militarily by mid by Mid-century uh they're on that path to Do that and that's really disturbing That's really bothersome your thought I Absolutely agree uh you know so right Now and I'd have to check my facts but I Think China has more ships Than the US does right there are 340 Some odd vessels and quantity has a Quality all its own now we still have a Superior Navy make no mistake about it We have more submarines we have more Submarines we have much more Sophisticated everything I think from Our aircraft to our carriers so you know China has three carriers and they're Having trouble Manning the airplanes Because they're it's hard to take off And land on a carrier right they've got Three carriers we've got 11. that blows Me away with a country that size can't Train Pilots yeah well because it's hard And you know we've been doing it since You know since the 40s so recognizing

That it's never easy to train quality Pilots to fly on and off of a carrier And and to get the people that want to Do that so we still have a superior Military uh Superior Navy actually Spirit military across the board but Chairman Miller is exactly right they Have a goal of surpassing us militarily In the Pacific by 2027. Um and and globally they want to build An incredibly strong military so once Again we do need to invest we need to Invest in our shipbuilding programs and Our aircraft building programs you know The days of looking for more you know Mraps are kind of behind us true I think The I think the American people were if You explain to the American people most Of which don't serve in the military why You need them and how you do them and What you're going to be using with them And who our enemy is we get it yeah I'm Telling you and both sides get it and It's how we're going to approach it Would be the difference hopefully we'll Get to that that's who gets elected but General Jack Keane took that question on Last week and he says when they war game This out this is what worries them we Don't fit right in terms of the kind of War that we're going to experience there A high-tech War our surface Fleet is Very vulnerable If It Moves In where it Can be effective where it's missiles and

Airplanes can range China's capability Though those surface ships are going to Be destroyed as high Capital assets on a Scale we have never even seen or Experienced during World War II that Chinese will swarm anti-ship missiles And Hypersonic missiles at those ships If we stand them off where they're out Of range then our Fighters cannot reach The coast and our missiles cannot range Trying to eat this so they're not making Any contribution back to the tabletop That's tough not bad for an army guy Yeah yeah General Keane I think has Nailed it I mean this is the biggest Concern is their Hypersonic weapons can Their weapons reach us before frankly we Can reach them but again the Navy Understands this Brian this is this is Not something that all of a sudden the Navy woke up and went oh my gosh we are Threatened from surface to surface Missiles from the you know from the Shore from from other ships we haven't Solved it well the Navy's not going to Tell you whether they've solved it or Not so yeah you can do tabletop Exercises and you can look at you know Missile X can get to our ship before we Can uh stop missilex or do we have Technology that in fact is you know Counter missile technology that will Work Adam mcraven's here and he's got This great new book out uh and you got

To grab it it just came out this uh Yesterday the wisdom of the bullfrog Leadership made simple and as we go Through the hour I'd like to to talk I Have anecdotes and do a full segments on Them but just on one in particular you Talk about leadership and working with People you're on a mission I hope I have This right and it's in the San Clemente Islands and you're in the back and You're you're it's a war game and they Use training and you have an opportunity To wipe out the enemy and Admiral Mcraven does right and you would you Were the senior officer there yeah okay So you do it and I'm reading this Thinking wow this is an unbelievable Move tell me tell me about this story And what you took from it so I was a Young Ensign Navy Ensign going through Seal training this was the last three Weeks of Seal training and we go out to San Clemente where we do a lot of our Field training exercises and this Particular exercise was an Amber stroll So myself and 13 of my seal trainees We're in a seal platoon and we are told We understand how the drill goes we're Told you're going to walk down this path And then instructors and they're all Vietnam Vets right the instructors are Going to be in a position somewhere you Don't know where to Ambush you and of Course we've done the drill and the

Ambush drill is normally hey when all Sudden you start taking fire everybody Drops down you yell Ambush Rider Ambush Left you get on Full Auto and you've got To get out of the Kill Zone right that's What everybody understands from their Time in Vietnam so we got it I talked to The platoon and away we go and so we're We're patrolling through this kind of Heavily densed area and then all of a Sudden you know the instructors open up With blank fire and grenade simulators We all drop down somebody else Ambush Right we all turn and start opening up And then I get This brilliant idea Ensign mcraven says aha I know what I Can do I can circle around this Hedgerow Where the where the enemy is and and I'll gun them down from behind so sure Enough I get up from my position Without telling anybody what I'm going To do and I run around the backside of The uh of this Hedgerow and of course They're all the instructors they're Lying down shooting us and I pull out my M16 with my blanks and I I gun them all Down I'm like yeah we won and all of a Sudden you know the instructors stand up And with some very Choice words you know Mr Mac what are you doing so what do you Mean we won really you do know by the Way bullets go in both directions so of Course I was running around into the Bullets that my guys were firing if it

Had been real but when I get back to my Platoon The guys tell me sir what did you do Where did you go I said what do you mean Guys you know I I did my John Wayne Thing you know I went around we won they Went we had no idea what you were doing And the point of the story is about Communicating and it's about Communicating during a crisis and of Course there's no bigger crisis than When you're literally being ambushed and What it taught me at a very young age Was look you've got to talk up and down The chain of command to make sure people Understand what you're doing and you Could do that in business and in life And with your family everything I Believe that we most certainly should Provide the tools and resources to yet To allow the ukrainians to prosecute Against a guy who's killed scores and Scores of innocent civilians and has no Intention of stopping at the Ukrainian Border this will become that is uh Mike Pompeo just Fresh Off meeting with Zielinski overseas former Secretary of State and uh director of the CIA uh with Me in studio if you're smart enough to Get Fox Nation the wisdom of the Bullfrog leadership uh made simple but Not easy Admiral mcraven in studio Admiral why did we have it so wrong it's Saying that Keith would fall in three

Days and what what is the biggest Surprise for you with the Ukrainian Performance yep because uh when you look At Crimea it fell in just a few days and So I think the expectation was certainly From Putin's standpoint and maybe even Mars I don't think we thought key would Fall in three days but we thought Ukraine would fall in a couple weeks so What I think surprised everybody was you Know the Russians have been on this Modernization program for about 15 years So they went from the you know t-72 to T80 T90 tanks they they modernized their Aircraft they modernized a lot of things They didn't modernize their Soldier and They didn't modernize their tactics so You know when we think about you know How and on a western Army works it's a Combined arms operation so you know you Start with uh artillery maybe you come In with an airstrike and then it all Synchronizes together they have not done That and of course ukrainians have done A tremendous job of fighting uh and they Would train Western trained and they Know how to fight and now they're Western armed we'll see how it goes more With the Admiral his book go grab it Especially if somebody's got a birthday Coming up the wisdom of the bullfrog General milley it's your testimony that You recommended 2500 troops Uh approximately stay in Afghanistan

Um as I've said many times before this Committee and other committees I don't Share my personal recommendations to the President but I can tell you my personal Opinion and my assessment if that's what You want yes please Um yes my assessment was uh back in the Fall of 20 and remained consistent Throughout that we should keep a steady State of 2500 and it could bounce up to 3 500 maybe something like that in order To move toward a negotiated gated Solution but as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff they didn't listen Secretary of Defense Austin said Something similar uh they didn't listen And the result was the biggest disaster In American military history it made Saigon look like a good idea uh with me In studio is Admiral mcraven I'm going To get to his leadership principles the Wisdom of the bullfrog leadership made Simple but Admiral for somebody who knew Who fought so long in Afghanistan who Knew some people that fought hearing General milley make that statement on His recommendation and seeing the President do something else and him Implement it what are your thoughts Yeah it was hard I mean it was hard to Why obviously very difficult to watch The evacuation out of Afghanistan I Think Mark Miller at one point in time Called it a you know a political

Disaster and I think that's true Military disaster well but you know when You take a look when the 82nd finally Got on the ground and really began to Organize itself uh you think about Extracting 132 000 Afghans in a two-week period of time That's pretty amazing I mean that's an Amazing military feat obviously you had The loss of the 13 Marines and sailors And and a number of afghans But the first part of it the issue Really becomes you know why were we so Late in getting there to begin the Evacuation in the first place and I and I think the American people have a right To know why that occurred that way the State department was in the lead but When you're in the military I understand We have civilian leadership when you Give a recommendation like that and you Know it's being ignored and you know We're getting at anyway you're like well This could be a disaster all our stuff Is there or people there are allies and Americans there if we do this sir people Are going to die they're going to be Stuck there and the president still Ignores you at one point do you say if You do this I resign I can't have my Fingerprints on this yeah it's always The Dilemma between do I resign or Because I'm in the position I'm in am I The best person to to manage this and

Lead this lead us through this difficult Time I can tell you across all my years Watching senior officers grapple with This at the end of the day the president Whether Republican or Democrat uh makes A decision your job as a military Officer is to offer your best military Advice which clearly chairman Millie did And then it's up to the elected leader Of the American people to make the Decision once that decision is made if You have had an opportunity to offer Your advice then you have to salute Smartly and move out now you can always Resign if you are that passionate about It you bet but the Dilemma Brian and Again I've seen this many many times is The leaders say but if I resign the next Guy steps up Is that person going to be as capable of Handling this challenge situation and That's just it if it's to walk away is One thing but when you know political Reality and if you're a chairman Jesus If you know politics he could not have Afforded to have Millie walk away Because Millie was so firmly anti-trump If Millie walks away from Biden you know It had to be something he would say okay I'll adjust what does it take to keep You if Austin said man I fought my I Have friends that died there I lived There for a while this will be a huge Disaster if he walked away if he says

We're both leaving the president doesn't Make that decision do you agree sure but But that's not what you do that's not What good leaders do bro Well Mattis was Told to leave let's be honest right no He said I'm leaving and then he was told To leave okay uh but but at the end of The day yeah so if you want if from Jim Madison's standpoint he decided he Couldn't continue to serve but when You're in uniform the easy way out is to Say I'm no longer going to continue to Serve I can tell I mean take a look at How Mark milley worked with President Trump uh the fact the matter is Mark Could have resigned but he didn't Because when you're the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff you have an Obligation to the men and women that You're serving to do the best by the Commander-in-chief whether that Commander-in-chief is Trump or whether That commander-in-chief is Biden I'm Thinking about your story of Billy Mitchell no 1920 right so we don't have An Air Force he thinks we need one and No one's listening to him right and if I Have this story right the Navy goes I'll Prove to you that we're better off Carrying the bombs he's like there's Going to be another War we need an Air Force and he goes and they go and they Rigged they rig the show and the

Pentagon at the time just says I'm gonna Go with the Navy and Mitchell wouldn't Back off and he gets Court martial and Only Douglas MacArthur votes against his Court martial but he does but by the Time FDR takes over because we need an Air Force Mitchell's Mitchell's right so He took the heat to doing the things Right and he stared command in the face Can you equate both stories You know I I can't I guess I can't Equate both stories you know every Leader has got to make a decision where You draw the line Um Mitchell was your book by the way You're right yeah this is in in the Bullfrog when I talk about Billy Mitchell and my father was an Air Force Officer and of course absolutely loved Billy Mitchell for both what he stood For Um and and obviously how he changed the Military but but every Leader's got to At some point in time draw a line and Say okay this is a line over which I Won't cross Um and and yes be prepared to put your Stars on the table But that in many in many cases that's The easy way out uh I mean I can Remember when I was a young officer and We had tail hook and I had a chance to Talk to the chief of Naval operations And it was like you know you were upset

Why didn't you resign and he said Because that's not my job my job is to Lead the Navy through these difficult Times Mark Millie's job Lloyd Austin's Job is to lead the military through Difficult times whether in Trump or Biden or whoever else but sometimes by Threatening to leave your objective Would be to change the policy yeah but You know you don't threaten when you're A military officer you know that that's Not the way you comport yourself you Know you provide the commander-in-chief The best military advice you can you try To maintain a level of professionalism But with the American people want a Military officer threatening the President United States I don't that's Not the sort of as irresourceful because If you could image but you just said Threatened you said well no but the Using the threat you could be Resourceful because I listen to my my Other option would be number one is try To explain it number two try to find Somebody to persuade President Biden That it's wrong that it's not me because I'm not working number three is say hey Mr President just going to tell you I'm I know we're only a few months in but if You do this I'm gonna have to resign Because my I know exactly what's going To happen we're going to lose this Country to a group of terrorists which

Is exactly where we went in 25 years ago And a bunch of women are going to lose All their rights and probably their Lives Uh my guess is and then the Ukraine Thing you could explain the Ukraine Thing ripples through too sure uh like I Said at some point in time every Leader's got to make a decision you know Where that line is Right and just such a shame that it Happened I want to talk about your book First off explain the title Yeah so the title and the term bullfrog Uh is given to the longest serving Navy SEAL on active duty which I received in 2011 after 34 years but remember as Navy Seals we are first and foremost Navy Frogmen from our World War II days we Take that very seriously I mean we are Frogmen and so when you are the longest Serving frog man you are the bullfrog And that's what you were called and I Was called the bullfrog right so you When you put this together it was a Bunch of Leadership Lessons not just Help Military Officers they have enough Of that but it's to help everyday America absolutely so you always talk About when you talk about building on That swim buddy right is everyone out There needed swim buddies somebody that They can count on to tell them the truth At all times did you have it yeah I did

Uh you know one I've been married for 44 Years going on 45 so that's probably my Closest one buddy but in the military uh Particularly during my times in Iraq and Afghanistan I had a command sergeant Major named Chris Ferris a great Army Special operator and and sergeant major Ferris was kind of my right hand man he Was the guy that always spoke truth to Power uh you know told me when I was Moving into you know uncharted waters or When I was walking into kind of a a Virtual Minefield so to speak uh he Never hesitated to give me his opinion But When I made the decision he was the guy That Stood Beside Me the closest Um you know and bring him to the story You get a call from your doctor right You got cancer right and you're going to Need treatment right away He walks in yeah and Tell us what you wrote about well you Know so I just get a call on a zoom call From my doctor saying yeah you've got Chronic lymphocytic leukemia uh cancer And and of course anybody that gets a Cancer diagnosis by the way you look Great well I appreciate it yeah it's a Manageable cancer but you know all of a Sudden I'm I'm stunned I'm devastated by This and I walk back into my office and And sergeant major Ferris uh you know Could see something was wrong

Immediately and he says hey boss you Know what's going on and you know I Finally said well I just got the Diagnosis that I I have cancer and I Could see him debating okay do I Commiserate and of course I'm feeling Sorry for myself you know it's kind of a Natural human tendency and he's like uh Hey boss we got a briefing here in in 10 Minutes come on you need to get ready to Go and of course I didn't feel like Doing any sort of briefing but he walks Me into our Command Center and I'm about To have a zoom video with you know my Folks around the world And the first thing sergeant major Ferris says to the The Jock NCO the Non-commissioned officer run he says hey What were our injuries last night who Was wounded last night and of course Immediately I start hearing about Rangers and seals that have been wounded Some guy lost his leg and Chris Ferris Gives me that look like okay put it in Perspective boss I got it but you know These these soldiers are out there you Know dying in some cases and getting Wounded and it was the tough love that I Needed and Chris Ferris kept me on the Straight and narrow you know for six Years of my career and my point is Everybody needs somebody like that when You stumble somebody that picks you up And dust you off and says it's going to

Be okay when you're starting to feel Sorry for yourself somebody that says Hey uh you know suck it up Life's tough Uh you know keep moving forward uh I was Fortunate in my career to have a number Of folks like that Pat Williams are the Orlando Magic I think you might know him So he had cancer has it treatable he's Got to live with it it's going to be Treated it's never going to be cured Right and he walked in he's all Depressed and finally a nurse called him Out and he said you know Pat everybody Knows you if you look depressed they're Going to feel really depressed Show some life show you know people look For you for inspiration so with your Rank with his Fame and with his success He went in there and when he walked in He was alive at the party because he Felt the responsibility to the people And to the kids and whatever I guess Very similar and people listening right Now might be going through things you Know especially coming out of the Pandemic well this is one of the points I make in the book about leadership is That leaders can never have a bad day Now the fact of the matter is everybody Has bad days right but when you go Before your employees when you go before The rank and file when you go before the Troops if you're the leader you better Have your shoulders back you better have

A look of confidence in your face uh you Better look like you've got a plan Because to your point Brian the people That work for you they are looking for You to be their leader they are looking For confidence they are looking for Inspiration and if you still feel sorry For yourself if you come in and your Shoulders are slumped and you're looking Downtrodden let me tell you that spreads Like wildfire the other thing that you Think is important is to learn about People yeah if you want to lead them ask Them and you talk to different people One guy while you're in the Army well I Had to I had no choice I hate the Army But you found out more about them and Tell me about them yeah so I used to at The end of the kind of the night I would Walk around and just talk to your Soldiers that were on the you know that Were from Ohio yeah yeah this guy so I Go up into one of the uh the Watchtower So we had watchtowers around Bagram and You know it's the middle of the night This kid has no idea who I am but you Got to open a hatch to get up there I Don't think you can see who I am and and I introduce myself but his young Army You know private doesn't know what an Admiral is and he's like oh cool man and So I started talking to him and he says Uh yeah yeah you know I really hate the Army but but you know I could teach

These soldiers a thing or two yeah yeah You know I really hate the Army but you Know my NCO is pretty cool yeah yeah I Really hate the Army but you know and Every time you'd say I hate the Army Then he'd come back and say But I really love it here you know uh There and and it was just but it also Just every time you talk to somebody on The factory line you know working behind The counter you as a leader you learn Something everybody has a story Everybody has a story and that story is Important right and if you want people To lead show you care absolutely right Now the mix of vulnerability and Leadership you don't you can't say you Can't act like you walk on water no Right so how do you mix the Vulnerability with the leadership yeah You know you've got to find it's a great Point you've got to find times to show Your human side for me it was always on The basketball court so we would always Play basketball on Sunday yeah and my Hook shot sucked and my jump shot sucked And and uh and guys would push you Around uh and of course you you talk to Them about your family because there's Nothing that makes you more of a person Than people understanding that you've Got a wife and you've got children and You understand These young soldiers sacrifice and you

Know so you've got to be relatable but When you go before them in a challenging Situation you've got to show you're in Charge and you've got to have a plan and You've got to look confident and Decisive and Inspire the men and women And football I remember Bill parcellus He was one of the guys with his Linebacker coach and they called him Tuna and then when he became head coach He was realized the biggest mistake yeah They were three and eleven were Something like that they all thought he Was his buddy they were terrible they Had to separate and no I care about you But I'm still the coach and after we Retaliated Iran attacked us again injuring another American didn't it They did and have we retaliated for that Attack on Friday We have not yet senator So what kind of signal do we think this Sends to Iran when they can attack us 83 Times since Joe Biden has become President we only respond for Maybe it's because they know that until That we will not retaliate until they Kill an American which emboldens them to Keep launching these attacks which kill Americans So that's a little The Exchange uh I Wanted to get Admiral mcraven's take on Handling Iran and how we're doing it I

Could not believe our 900 guys have been Attacked 83 times in Syria over the last Two years what's your what are your Thoughts on that Admiral well you need To be concerned about the you know the Um the Iranian proxies that are there so Mainly Hezbollah but there are a number Of other groups that are acting as Iranian proxies and they are getting you Know support from the irgc and the rgc Goods for us with rockets and these sort Of things so absolutely we need to again You need to hold the Iranians Accountable when they attack Americans Are you worried when we don't yeah of Course uh you know if you're if you're Not strong in the face of an attack then You can expect another attack now again What's hard to know is what's going on Behind the scenes and and of course you Know secretary uh Austin and and general Milley are going to be reluctant to talk About other things that might be Happening that the that isn't in the Public forum so and I'm not privy to That so I don't don't know what that the Name of this book is the wisdom of the Bullfrog and it's been 20 years since uh Since Iraq The Invasion you weren't for The Invasion initially you were with Saddam Hussein you told me for 30 days When are we gonna do you believe that That war was worth it yeah you know it's Hard to tell at this point in time in

History uh you know clearly removing Saddam Hussein was absolutely the right Thing to do uh he was about as vile and Evil a human being and oh by the way his Son Judy and crusai were not much better Uh so him being gone was absolutely the Right thing to do the fact that there Weren't any weapons of mass destruction There I mean that'll be debated uh till The cows come home on this thing but it Will be interesting to see in 10 years Or 20 years if I say around if Iraq is a A better place Than hopefully the sacrifice of the men And women that serve both in uniform and In the intelligence Community will have Been worth it but one of the things I Used to tell my guys you know when You're in the military you do the job You're asked to do and at one point in Time late in 2010 we knew we were Leaving in 2011 and one of my seals Senior Chiefs said sir why are we still Going out on missions why and the answer I could give him was you know we are in A position to save Iraqis save Americans And you never know the cascading effect Of what one Mission might do so do your Job but the performance of you guys was Unbelievable adapting in the middle of a War the way you did uh fantastic and Thanks for all your service Admiral I'll Talk to you on Saturday night on one Nation but if you want to do something

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